So iv been looking around for the last couple of months for a good 24" for mostly ps3 and pc use. i was set on the dell 2408 till i read about the whole input lag issues and then was waiting for the 2709w to come out but its just taking to long(i live in Australia) and i feel that it will also produce input lag.

Iv always known about the FP241w and that its an excellent monitor but is it worth the buy?- btw i know of vender's that have stock of it. Meaning is the monitor to old to consider not buying it? because there isn't much alternative out there with such low lag and im not really looking at the TN panels.

Also people that have the monitor is it a good looking monitor?

Thanks
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FP241w does not have a low input-lag:
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=48&mo1=304&p1=2943&ma2=48&mo2=141&p2=1562&ph=12

I owned FP241w for a while and I really didn't like it (too bright, annoying sound...), it gave me a *real* headache.
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I was gonna buy this, but after finding out it had high input lag, I passed it.
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I was gonna buy this, but after finding out it had high input lag, I passed it.
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Are people happy with this model? Reading posts it seems that there are issues with input lag and dead pixels.

Wonder if it will fall in price. Its been $669 less the 10% discount code in the clearance shop for a long time
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They're $599 + 10% discount promo code right now from BenQ USA.

What kept me from being interested was the fact that they've gone out of production and they've been making them since 2006. Add to that the apparent problems with input lag, random blackouts, etc...
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The FP241VW is $599 before the 10% discount. The FP241W is still $669 before discount.

http://store.benq.us/benq-us/searchresults.aspx?search_id=4&culture=en-US

Yeah,,,, 50 posts finally.
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ah thanks for the replies but i just picked up the g2400w so far .... so good! :D waiting to get my hdmi cable tomorrow to hook up to my ps3 will post pics :D
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I've had my FP241W for almost three weeks now and I love it. No dead pixels, and best of all, it was manufactured in May of this year.
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So there's a W and a VW. I did not know that.

What's the difference (other than the obvious aesthetics)?

The W is backordered on the BenQ USA site.
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So there's a W and a VW. I did not know that.

What's the difference (other than the obvious aesthetics)?

The W is backordered on the BenQ USA site.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1313924

albovin gave me some good on the monitors. I eventually bought the W ( two days before the BenQ site showed that it was backordered :))
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The monitor is still a strong contender IMHO (if the build date is after June 2007),

Input lag on it is overstated. I cannot subjectively feel any. In clone mode with a fast TN panel (like BenQ G2400W or V2400W) it is just as fast in regards to input lag. Playing both PC and console games I cannot feel anything. Cloned with my NEC LCD2690WuXi-BK (which is supposed to have under 40ms lag) the FP241VW is faster/always ahead.

Jonathan, Albovin's knowledge is correct. He mentioned he wasn't sure about HDCP compatibility, but the FP241W or VW is completely HDCP compatible, and it has a true digital switch inside (which I discovered the hard way with my older ATI 38x0 cards because they don't support digital switches very well, but not a problem with the 48x0 cards at ALL).

I would go for the FP241W, because of a better stand with height adjustment and uses less desk space. The "PerfectMotion" technology in the FP241VW is just a hair above useless, and is the only "feature" the FP241W doesn't have. Either way, both are strong monitors in their own right.

Here are some highlights:

1) Good quality A-MVA panel with very little anti glare "sparkle"/"graininess" and vibrant colors.
2) Top notch aspect ratio handling on all HD connectors with 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p. It also does a good job of de-interlacing 1080i. Much better than most competitors.
3) Overscan controls for HD video sources. This is still not available on most, if any competitors.
4) Decently low input lag, exemplary compared to competitors from Dell and Samsung.
5) Good response time, very good for an MVA panel.

I think the only weakness is below average color calibration out of the box, and a slow OSD. Otherwise it's a pretty solid display and is one which you can confidently use for some time without feeling behind in the technology rat race.

Regards,

10e

You may be hesitant due to the age of the monitor, but I think because of demand, BenQ is still producing them, which must be the case if Jonathan got one with a May 2008 build date.
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can these monitors be controlled by a remote control (power, video soucem volume) when using as a tv?
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I thought the FP241W was a S-PVA monitor?

How do you guys feel about this model vs. W241D? I am looking for a 24 inch S-PVA monitor with HDMI, and a glossy screen.
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I thought the FP241W was a S-PVA monitor?

Nope, A-MVA, almost (if not exactly) identical panel to the one in my LG L246WP-BN. Not sure about the other monitor you're thinking of, but panel-wise at least, I'd definitely recommend the FP241W.
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and a slow OSD.

I forgot about that one. A real HELL :mad:
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The monitor is still a strong contender IMHO (if the build date is after June 2007),

Input lag on it is overstated. I cannot subjectively feel any. In clone mode with a fast TN panel (like BenQ G2400W or V2400W) it is just as fast in regards to input lag. Playing both PC and console games I cannot feel anything. Cloned with my NEC LCD2690WuXi-BK (which is supposed to have under 40ms lag) the FP241VW is faster/always ahead.

Jonathan, Albovin's knowledge is correct. He mentioned he wasn't sure about HDCP compatibility, but the FP241W or VW is completely HDCP compatible, and it has a true digital switch inside (which I discovered the hard way with my older ATI 38x0 cards because they don't support digital switches very well, but not a problem with the 48x0 cards at ALL).

I would go for the FP241W, because of a better stand with height adjustment and uses less desk space. The "PerfectMotion" technology in the FP241VW is just a hair above useless, and is the only "feature" the FP241W doesn't have. Either way, both are strong monitors in their own right.

Here are some highlights:

1) Good quality A-MVA panel with very little anti glare "sparkle"/"graininess" and vibrant colors.
2) Top notch aspect ratio handling on all HD connectors with 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p. It also does a good job of de-interlacing 1080i. Much better than most competitors.
3) Overscan controls for HD video sources. This is still not available on most, if any competitors.
4) Decently low input lag, exemplary compared to competitors from Dell and Samsung.
5) Good response time, very good for an MVA panel.

I think the only weakness is below average color calibration out of the box, and a slow OSD. Otherwise it's a pretty solid display and is one which you can confidently use for some time without feeling behind in the technology rat race.

Regards,

10e

You may be hesitant due to the age of the monitor, but I think because of demand, BenQ is still producing them, which must be the case if Jonathan got one with a May 2008 build date.

10e, I am very sensitive to input lag, I have already returned a 2408WFP and Sammy 275t. do you think I should try put this monitor? Do you truly not feel any input lag?
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Yeah, I remember we talked about the Samsung when you bought it from Future Shop.

I can't see or feel any input lag on the FP241VW, which is considered the slower of the two FP241xx monitors. I have tried 4 monitors where I can't feel lag: V2400W, G2400W, Dell 2005FPW, and FP241VW. Others I can feel it with PC games.

Take a look at FP241VW vs. the NEC that I also have in comparison under "Delay compared to CRT":

http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=48&mo1=229&p1=2117&ma2=52&mo2=149&p2=1606&ph=1

The NEC looks like it should be better right? Nope. The FP241xx is always first in clone mode.

Both are great for gaming IMHO, but the BenQ is a little bit faster and I can percieve little to no lag.

I can guarantee it will be nothing close to the Samsung or Dell you've tried.

Regards,

10e

10e, I am very sensitive to input lag, I have already returned a 2408WFP and Sammy 275t. do you think I should try put this monitor? Do you truly not feel any input lag?
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Alright TenE, I'm gonna give this a try from NCIX. They got a return policy of 10 days (15% restock fee) and I'll pick it up soon. Too bad the new Doublesight is far away, I really wanted to try that too. Hmm.
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Hey lobksi just so you know the people who recently ordered their BenQ's from NCIX received panels that were made in 2007 (you can read this from the last few pages of the long ass thread covering the fp241w).

I was able to order it from the benQ site before it went on backorder last month and it was made in may of 2008, but they still have the fp241Vw (with the hideous stand) for sale. If you have your own stand or something, you may want to consider buying from BenQ and you may get (you could probably call and get a straight answer) a panel that was made this year.
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The problem with them is NCIX won't give the "dead pixel guarantee" on this monitor because of the unknown quantity left.

Just make sure your build date is June 2007 or later. It should ideally be September 2007 or later, but I'm not 100% sure with the FP241W.

I seriously doubt you would return it for input lag. Maybe another reason, but not input lag.

I've removed the stand on the FP241VW but the buttons were "naked" ie. circuit board hanging out, and put it on an Ergotron arm. The stand is easier to remove than I thought it would be. 4 screws and it's out.

Good luck and regards,

You got three letters right. The last one is an "i" but close enough!

:)

10e

Alright TenE, I'm gonna give this a try from NCIX. They got a return policy of 10 days (15% restock fee) and I'll pick it up soon. Too bad the new Doublesight is far away, I really wanted to try that too. Hmm.
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the ergotron arm rocks. Check out my dual arm holding a BenQ FP241W and an old school Dell 1901FP hehe

http://www.jonathanarias.com/pictures/IMG_3720.JPG
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Hey lobksi just so you know the people who recently ordered their BenQ's from NCIX received panels that were made in 2007 (you can read this from the last few pages of the long ass thread covering the fp241w).

I was able to order it from the benQ site before it went on backorder last month and it was made in may of 2008, but they still have the fp241Vw (with the hideous stand) for sale. If you have your own stand or something, you may want to consider buying from BenQ and you may get (you could probably call and get a straight answer) a panel that was made this year.

What do you consider the hideous stand? The VW ?
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FP241VW http://store.benq.us/benq-us/product.aspx?sku=3269055&culture=en-US just because it's big and bulky in my opinion.
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So what's wrong with the 2007 models?
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If they are June 2007 or later, there is nothing wrong with them.

Older models had some VGA sizing problems with Xbox 360 and overscan with HDMI and component. June 2007 and later all this is fixed, and it will do pretty much any video mode you throw at it.

Regards,

10e

So what's wrong with the 2007 models?
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They've been sitting in a warehouse for a year :P

Just being picky ;)
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Call me crazy, but I absolutely love the design of the FP241VW.
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Anyone know how I can find out if the FP241W box is whether from 2007 or 2008? Is it printed on the box somewhere?
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Lobski,

It's on the box where the serial number is. It will be listed as <month> <year>

Perini,

I don't mind it. If it was my only monitor I wouldn't mind the stand, but because it's so wide and I have a big honking 26" NEC next to it, the stand's extra width causes me problems.

Regards,

10e
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BTW,

I did some input lag tests recently on my FP241VW. It's a December 2007 built screen. I found something very interesting.

I recently got a hold of a Compaq P1210 19" Trinitron CRT so I hooked it up to my new HTPC with an ATI 3650 card on it and put the FP241VW and took 20 shots of Inputlag.exe from FlatPanels.dk at 1600x1200 (1:1 pixel mapped on FP241VW) from each screen. The CRT was set at 85hz, the FP241VW at default of 60hz refresh.

The results were very eye opening, to say the least.

After 20 shots, in eight of them, the two monitors were EVEN (ie. 0 lag), 10 there was 1 frame lag, and 2 there was two frames. This amounted to an average of 11.8ms input lag. I was lucky in this set because all of the shots were readable. If a shot was "in transition" where the FP241 was changing numbers I took the worse/first number to ensure accuracy as much as possible.

This is a FAR cry from the average of 45ms from DigitalVersus/Lesnumeriques.

So I don't know what BenQ has done with the recent firmware on this screen, but it definitely seems to have reduced input lag drastically (in my case).

I also switched DVI ports and the difference was minimal. Ie. maybe one or two shots came up different but the average did not change. Ie. all the shots except two were identical, and the two were 0 and 1 frame lag... I take all the shots at highspeed 1/500 second exposure time to ensure as accurate a shot as possible.

I also did it with the HDMI connection, and the average was 1.5 frames worse (ie. over 27ms), but still not as bad as 45ms average.

Over DVI I could not detect input lag visually with the CRT and FP241VW in clone mode, though I could with HDMI. So the HDMI is slower, but still a far cry from the published numbers for DVI.

I did not try my nVidia 8800GTS because I've seen inconsistencies where port 2 is always faster by 10ms than port 1 (especially on Vista).

Very interesting.

Regards,

10e
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What would we do without 10e?

Appreciate the information, this should help the gamers. Is the inputlag.exe available for download? I went to FlatPanels.dk but I only read English and Spanish ;(
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Call me crazy, but I absolutely love the design of the FP241VW.

me too =) though ive only seen pics
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What would we do without 10e?



Either that or he works with Benq ;)
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Y'all would be just fine ;)

Here ya go:

http://www.flatpanels.dk/monitortest_inputlag_dk.php

I'm gonna test with a couple of other monitors too to make sure I'm not on drugs. Then my wife will throw the CRT at me for filling up the second floor with stuff.

She get mad, she get strong. Doesn't turn green though. Two out of three ain't bad.

That's the way I like 'em!

10e

What would we do without 10e?

Appreciate the information, this should help the gamers. Is the inputlag.exe available for download? I went to FlatPanels.dk but I only read English and Spanish ;(
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Check out the Official BenQ thread for NCIXUS.com BenQ FP241W saga!
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