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G'day to all and thanks to those who have adviced me on suspension concerns. Im also thinking of having a turbo fitted to my 2.8 hilux desiel. Ive been quoted $3000 for the whole system including new exhaust to suit. they said I would get better ecconomy and about 30% my power. the motors done 214,000Klms and runs just fine but as many of you would know they are abit slow on hills etc. being a 95 model there are no computors involve so that would simplify the system to a degree. has any one had this done . would appreciate some feedback. Im in brisbane so if you know of any local turbo fitters that you can recomend please let me know. I hear the garret turbo is very good. cheers to all. =============
im looking at getting one for my 5L hilux and so far the best kits ive come across is the DTS/MTQ system and the C.A.P.A system both are useing the mitsubishi TDO4 turbo and is about 2500 for the C.A.P.A. kit and 2900 for the MTQ system. both are plus fitting and they told me its easy to do even if youve never done it before i shouldnt take more then 1.5 days. =============
Ive just been looking at the MtQ turbos on the internet and they do sound good. but Ive also been told, to do it properly and get the most out of your system you need an exhaust system designed to go with the turbo and it all needs to be dyno tuned by an expert. If you have more air coming into your motor you need an exhaust that will handle the flow. Im looking forward to the change it will give the hilux. =============
yeh MTQ say they dont have and exhaust for them. they just put in a new section from the turbo to the first conection and if MTQ install it they tune it with boost, piro and air/fuel guages.
with the one im getting for my ute ill do the install and put it on the dyno and get it tuned there.
not sure what the other MTQ places have but up here they dont have a dyno.
BTW. some people will tell you to put in a 3'' straight through exhaust. DONT. is way to big, it lets the exhaust gasses cool down to quick which makes it denser and slows it down afectively making it restricting. For the 2.8 id go for 2.5'' maybe with a 3'' dump pipe but it may not need it. =============
i put on a dts turbo kit. it cost me $3500 fitted dynoed and new 21/4 exhust.
its liek driving a new car! im pushing 33's and can sit on 110km no worries.
dyno results- 33" tyres. 10psi boost.
before- 58kw, 79hp at 3808rpm. 179nm at 2250rpm
after- 68kw, 92hp at 3509rpm. 223nm at 2462rpm =============
Could try this one. I have no idea of the price. I sent an email but got no reply so might need to call them
Toyota Hilux 5L Turbo Kit / Turbocharging System (http://www.axtturbo.com.au/Hi5L.html) =============
going to get intouch with northside 4x4 ARB caboolture for a chat and quote to have the whole job done including exhaust, let you know how things go. =============
Once you've fitted a turbo kit, you'll be kicking yourself that you didn't do it earlier!!
My last truck was running 35" tyres and handled fully loaded beach trips with no problems at all. My latest truck has the same DTS system (although the earlier series with a garret t2) and it is so much more comfortable to drive than a standard model.
The first truck had a 2.25" exhaust and was fine. The later truck has a 2.5" system and the only draw back, is that the increased pipe size makes the turbo whistle noticable. Some of the younger punters prefer this, but I'm a family man now and some say I'm getting old....
Your truck will accelerate up hills and overtake like you never thought possible.
Best advice......go to an installer and ask if they can take you out (or put you on to a satisfied customer) in a ute that has their system installed, so that you can see the difference. And also make sure that they adjust the fuel pump to suit (5 minute job for the right installer even if you can't get it dyno'd).
I'm sure that if you ask around, you could even find a forum member in your local area with a turbo ute for a test drive. =============
hey guys,
good luck with the turbo conversion. hope it goes better than mine did.
after doing the turbo conversion on my 2.8d which was intercooled.new 2.5in turbo exhaust. my motor expired 7 km after leaving the exhaust shop. still have exhaust if interested.. haha only 7 km old. now i own a 89 dual cab with 308 v8. mate you realy want to look into that conversion. drove up blue mountains in 5th gear overtaking other cars . pulling power like a freight train. best of luck to you. =============
why did it die? =============
240000km on clock. 10 psi. and a heavy right foot. everyone ive spoke to say that 3L engines (2.8lt) hate turbos. im no expert on them, but my engine certianly didnt like it. a gugion pin broke. piston and rod when in different directions. =============
240000km on clock. 10 psi. and a heavy right foot. everyone ive spoke to say that 3L engines (2.8lt) hate turbos. im no expert on them, but my engine certianly didnt like it. a gugion pin broke. piston and rod when in different directions.
Mine had no probs and I sold it with it on. I ran no more than a constant 7psi thought it would boost to 9 then drop to 7 huge difference in car. =============
mate form what i have seen in a few m8s luxes the 2.8 dont like the turbos all that much i have seen some that do and some that dont but i think your best bet is to sell that motor and buy a 2lt 2.4 turbo import motor cause they are made to have a turbo on them and u know that everything is going to work right but that is just what i would do =============
I had my DTS turbo Installed to My 2.8 at 220,000Kms Just sold it with 245,000kms, no problems it made the car a hell of a lot better to drive and much smooter, the trick is dont drive the car beyond its capabilities and make sure you got a Exhaust temp gauge. I dont mean sit on 80 km/h just dont hold it flat stick up hills and dont exceed 550oC exhaust temp. been told by a few mechanics that the 3L(2.8) motor is the pick of the bunch between the 2L and 5L.
Thumbs up for turbo on a 3L from Me. =============
well Ive had a denco turbo and exhaust fitted by arb caboolture and its going just fine, cant believe the difference its made to the 2.8 desiel hilux. drives really nice now, power is great. I dont plan on driving faster just easier on hills and towing etc. cost was $4000 including compliance plates and follow up checks and dino tuning at 1000klms. =============
good to see you are happy with your turbo. i reccon it's a worth while investment if you plan to keep your truck. as i found the best thing about it is how much easier and enjoyable it makes the vehicle to drive. =============
I had my 2.8 4runner turboed (Safari). Performance was brilliant - economy was brilliant.
Sadly, going up a long hill it overheated and cracked the head. :cry:
There was nothing wrong with the cooling system nor the engine prior as I am a diesel mechanic and am a service fanatic.
I blame myself for the overheating - it was a hot day, a long long hill and I was pulling about 110ks (non turbo would have been about 70ks :zzz: ).
So I should have paid a bit more attention to my driving and kept within the limits of a motor that was not designed to be turboed. Having said that, toyota never turboed the 3L or 2L and have always been against it, I would only do it if you are prepared that one day she might just let go and cost you a new head at the very least. If you weigh that cost against the cost of getting a new truck with all the govt costs etc then its probably not a bad risk.
good luck. =============
hey buddy you should do a little research on that mate they did turbo the 2l it was called a 2lt found in import surfrs and hiluxes but i do agree that toyota dont like the idea of turboing a 3l
I had my 2.8 4runner turboed (Safari). Performance was brilliant - economy was brilliant.
Sadly, going up a long hill it overheated and cracked the head. :cry:
There was nothing wrong with the cooling system nor the engine prior as I am a diesel mechanic and am a service fanatic.
I blame myself for the overheating - it was a hot day, a long long hill and I was pulling about 110ks (non turbo would have been about 70ks :zzz: ).
So I should have paid a bit more attention to my driving and kept within the limits of a motor that was not designed to be turboed. Having said that, toyota never turboed the 3L or 2L and have always been against it, I would only do it if you are prepared that one day she might just let go and cost you a new head at the very least. If you weigh that cost against the cost of getting a new truck with all the govt costs etc then its probably not a bad risk.
good luck. =============
Hey, Toyota claimed that the 2l was slightly different to the turboed version but never elaborated on what was different. They also claimed that the a turboed motor from the 2L family would not be reliable in the heat of Oz, which is strange when every taliban dude with a rocket launcher is sitting in a hilux or surf in afghanistan :crazy: =============
Ther is sweet bugger all difference between the 2LT, 3L, 5L internally as far as strength goes, they share the same block, head. The only difference is the bore/stroke and boost compensator fitted to the 2LT's injection pump. The 3L will handle a turbo fine, it all depends how it has been treated its whole life and what condition it is in prior to fitment and wat other precautions u take to look after it. U cant just throw a snale on at 10psi, wind the fuel up and hope it lasts. I think half the time they r ready to die and let go after fitment due to the owner abusing them more because they have more power to burn.
6-7psi with moderate fueling (3/4 turn on adjustment screw) would have to be the most frequent setup and is reliable as is. If u wind the boost up further to say 10-12psi ur going to have to wind the fuel up more to get the mix right and benefit from that boost, this is where intercoolers, larger mandrel exhausts and boost comensators come into play as ur exhaust gas temperatures and intake temps start to become undesirable as well as ur puttin more heat stress on the whole cooling system so bigger radiators and oil coolers can be looked at. The best guages u can fit are boost, aftermarket engine coolant temp and pyrometer, with these u can c when ur overfueling and wind down accordingly to u get it just right. turbo diesles r the opposite to petrol turbos, they hate running rich and will melt components internally if a pyro around 700c is run frequently, A petrol will do the same when running lean.
My 3L is 350000km old and has run 7psi with an aftermarket turbo since new, I have recently upped to boost to 10psi and it is loving it, I will most likely be rebuilding it when it dies so am not to fussed to find its limits. Also recently fitted a 10psi rollerbearing garret to a mates 3L which is 240k old and it is running better then ever. The engine will only last as long as u look after it with frequent 4-5000km oil/filter changes and TLC. Cheers =============
Hey, Toyota claimed that the 2l was slightly different to the turboed version but never elaborated on what was different. They also claimed that the a turboed motor from the 2L family would not be reliable in the heat of Oz, which is strange when every taliban dude with a rocket launcher is sitting in a hilux or surf in afghanistan :crazy:
Yes the imported 2LT's crack alot of heads due to the water pumps and thermostats not being sufficient for Australian conditions, Apparently if u change to a 3L waterpump and change to a different temp rating thermostat they r fine. Ther is alot of info on the L series diesels on ToyotaSurf Australia Site (http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au) =============
thanks for that A1 mechanic, Im getting so many different stories about problems people have with turbos but a few like your self have pointed out the importance of looking after it and having it tuned properly. the mob that did mine do turbos all the time and seem to know what their doing. I will have to check what pressure they have it set at. I have noticed the clutch is now slipping slightly, so Ive bought a new heavy duty clutch kit spigot bearing and rear engine oil seal to keep me busy the next week at home. cant wait to finish it and enjoy the new turbo. cheers and thanks again for the info. =============
Well i have just recently purchased a 3L turbo (DTS kit with TD04) running 12.5psi and has been for 3 years!!! :crazy: (on a new engine)
However it runs like an absolute dream and doesnt miss a beat (pulls very hard for a farm bus :p )
Im about to turn the boost down to about 9 psi and intercool it, followed by a good dyno tune (then boost back up).
I was into performance cars before this and there is one thing l learnt, to modify stuff properly you have to do the acompanying mods, eg. bigger exhaust, dyno tune, HD clutch, more fuel etc. Otherwise you just throwing your hard earned away, so make sure you know exactly what is involved, dont strap a turbo on and say ill worry bout the rest later.
Im am curious you said that you were told you would get better fuel economy, i get about 400-450kms per tank but i hear of guys with non turbos getting 600-700 kms per tank?
What does everyone else get? =============
Im am curious you said that you were told you would get better fuel economy, i get about 400-450kms per tank but i hear of guys with non turbos getting 600-700 kms per tank?
What does everyone else get?
Definately mate, I just turboed my 2L and im get an extra 80k's per tank and thats with me putting the boot in and having a good time with the new found power.. =============
to answer your question about fuel economy running a turbo pagey 1. before turbo was fitted I was getting around 650klms out of a tank doing both intown driving and hwy driving, Im told that I should get as good with the turbo If I drive the same way and not heavy footed. the motor does not have to work as hard to produce the same results there fore not using more fuel. anyway I am going to see what I get out of a tank. I will let you know, either way it will be worth it, its a dream to drive now. your lux looks great, so does your trip to tassi. look forward to some pics. =============
650km :confused: Damn i gotta lower the boost and get mine tuned :p so yeah i would be very interested to know what milage you get after the turbo, please let us know!
And thanks for the comments about my bus, should have more photos up after the weekend :waycool: =============
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